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Sommeil : endormissement aisé mais réveil précoce ?

Messagepar Max le 19/06/2010 07h03

Bonjour a tous,
J'ai décidé de creer ce topic car la j'avoue que je n'en peux plus haha, je vais vous expliquer en bref mon soucis.
Depuis quelques mois, j'allais en cours (mon reveil sonnant a 6h) mais j'étais toujours réveillé a 5h55 PILE, a chaque fois 5 min avant le reveil. Le problème est que le week-end meme sans le reveil je respectais les mêmes horaires, pendant les vacances qui suivirent idem. Mais la depuis 2/3 semaines, je suis passé a plutot 4h30/5h, et apres il m'es impossible de me rendormir, ce qui fait qu'au fil des jours la fatigue s'accumule. Je précise bien que quelque soit l'heure de mon coucher (21h ou 3h) je vais me lever dans ce créneau.

J'ai évidemment consulté un medecin avant de venir vous en parler, car cela fait plusieurs mois que cela dure, il a essayé de me faire avaler tous ses cachets mais aucun n'a fonctionné, voici ceux auquels j'ai eu droit :

- Atarax / Lysanxia = Anxyolitiques pour essayer de me détendre = A part etre un zombie avant d'aller me coucher : niet
- Stilnox = Hypnotique/somnifere = Idem, mais bon l'endormissement n'étant pas un probleme...
- Sedatif PC = pour essayer de me détendre = J'ai rien senti xD
- Inexium = Ayant un passé avec des reflux gastriques en pagaille il a pensé que ca pouvait etre ca = non
- Melatonine = ca ne m'a rien fait (conseillé par un medecin"alternatif")
- Vitamine C = Je prends un gramme au couché depuis deux jours, toujours rien.


Si quelqu'un sait ce que cela pourait etre, a vécu le meme cas ou a des "solutions" merci d'en faire part :D
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Messagepar Alain-SPN le 19/06/2010 19h17

Lorsque tu te réveilles, tu ressasses des pensées de toute sorte, ou tu as plutôt l'impression que c'est ton corps qui est agité?
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Messagepar Max le 19/06/2010 20h00

Un peu les deux en fait, pendant 10minutes je suis encore vaseux et je me laisse apres mais si je me rendors pas, je m'emmerde et alors la je pense, mais alors a tout et a rien, ca peut etre au training comme a la jolie serveuse du bar d'a coté :idiot:
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Messagepar audiomaniac le 21/06/2010 09h21

tu as essayé la taurine au couché ?
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Messagepar Impaled_-l- le 21/06/2010 09h53

Comment vas tu en ce moment ? je veux dire dans ta vie tu as des soucis ou pas ?

de même tu tournes à combien d'heures de sport par semaine là ?
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Messagepar Max le 21/06/2010 10h11

La taurine ? :eek: La derniere fois que j'ai pris un monster energy avant de dormir j'ai été un zombie toute la nuit haha.

Sinon, non, aucun probleme particulier, l'année scolaire s'est superbement bien passée, le stress des cours est fini... Je ne vois pas trop de soucis de ce point la.
Par semaine je tourne a 6h de sport a peu pres. J'ai essayé de réduire, voire de stopper cela n'a rien changé, au contraire j'ai essayé de monter a 10/12h, mais le sommeil était idem.
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Messagepar Alain-SPN le 21/06/2010 19h13

C'est ennuyeux ces problèmes de sommeil. Peut-être essayer la valériane sur quelques semaines pour voir si il y a un changement?
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Messagepar Juve le 21/06/2010 19h32

Baise ca aide pour dormir :cool: :p
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Messagepar Augustin N. le 21/06/2010 20h18

Il parle de taurine seule, dans les boissons énergisantes, y a de la caféine avec la taurine, alors ça aide vraiment pas :ill:
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Messagepar Max le 21/06/2010 21h01

Oui je dis pas que j'ai essayé pour dormir hein t'inquietes :p
Mais al taurine aurait-elle un effet ?

la valerianne, c'est une infusion c'est cela ?
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Messagepar Impaled_-l- le 21/06/2010 22h52

La valerianne c'est une plante, en gélule (enfin j'avais pris comme ça)

ça pue un truc de malade... :ill:

sinon ça aide bien, et un conseil moi qui ai eu de bons soucis de sommeil, prends pas toute ces merdes de médocs...
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Messagepar audiomaniac le 21/06/2010 23h39

Yucca le Sam 02 Juin 2007 a écrit:La taurine a un effet sédatif à doses élevées
vaso dilatateur, inhibe l'agrégation plaquettaire
normalise le rythme cardiaque
régule la balance calcim/magnesium (plus jamais de crampes)
élimine les toxines (cf. cycle de l'urée)
effet anti oxydant -> absolument inoffensive pour la santé.
Quand à dire qu'il faut la prendre juste avant l'entrainement , c'est totalement risible, puisqu'il a été démontré que dans ces conditions elle a un efet négatif sur la force maximale.

J'ai pris jusqu'à10g/j sans aucun problème.

Quelques passages intéressants ci dessous en gras.

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Abstract

Taurine is a conditionally-essential amino acid which is not utilized in protein synthesis, but rather is found free or in simple peptides. Taurine has been shown to be essential in certain aspects of mammalian development, and in vitro studies in various species have demonstrated that low levels of taurine are associated with various pathological lesions, including cardiomyopathy, retinal degeneration, and growth retardation, especially if deficiency occurs during development. Metabolic actions of taurine include: bile acid conjugation, detoxification, membrane stabilization, osmoregulation, and modulation of cellular calcium levels. Clinically, taurine has been used with varying degrees of success in the treatment of a wide variety of conditions, including: cardiovascular diseases, hypercholesterolemia, epilepsy and other seizure disorders, macular degeneration, Alzheimer's disease, hepatic disorders, alcoholism, and cystic fibrosis. (Alt Med Rev 1998;3(2):128-136)



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Introduction

Taurine (2-aminoethanesulfonic acid, see Figure 1) is a conditionally-essential amino acid which is not utilized in protein synthesis, but rather is found free or in simple peptides. First discovered as a component of ox bile in 1827, it was not until 1975 that the significance of taurine in human nutrition was identified, when it was discovered that formula-fed, pre-term infants were not able to sustain normal plasma or urinary taurine levels.1 Signs of taurine deficiency have also been detected in children on long-term, total parenteral nutrition,2 and in patients with "blind-loop" syndrome.3 In vivo studies in various species have shown taurine to be essential in certain aspects of mammalian development, and have demonstrated that low levels of taurine are associated with various pathological lesions, including cardiomyopathy, retinal degeneration, and growth retardation, especially if deficiency occurs during development.4

Derived from methionine and cysteine metabolism, taurine is known to play an important role in numerous physiological functions. While conjugation of bile acids is perhaps its best-known function, this accounts for only a small proportion of the total body pool of taurine in humans. Other metabolic actions of taurine include: detoxification, membrane stabilization, osmoregulation, and modulation of cellular calcium levels. Clinically, taurine has been used in the treatment of a wide variety of conditions, including: cardiovascular diseases, epilepsy and other seizure disorders, macular degeneration, Alzheimer's disease, hepatic disorders, and cystic fibrosis. An analog of taurine, acamprosate, has been used as a treatment for alcoholism.



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Cardiovascular Effects

Taurine comprises over 50 percent of the total free amino acid pool of the heart.9 It has a positive inotropic action on cardiac tissue,10 and has been shown in some studies to lower blood pressure.11,12 In part, the cardiac effects of taurine are probably due to its ability to protect the heart from the adverse effects of either excessive or inadequate calcium ion (Ca2+) levels.13 The consequence of Ca2+ excess is the accumulation of intracellular calcium, ultimately leading to cellular death. Taurine may both directly and indirectly help regulate intracellular Ca2+ ion levels by modulating the activity of the voltage-dependent Ca2+ channels, and by regulation of Na+ channels. Taurine also acts on many other ion channels and transporters. Therefore, its action can be quite non-specific.14 When an adequate amount of taurine is present, calcium-induced myocardial damage is significantly reduced, perhaps by interaction between taurine and membrane proteins.15 At least one study has suggested taurine's ability to function as a membrane stabilizer is related to its capacity to prevent suppression of membrane-bound NaK ATPase.16

Other research demonstrates taurine can protect the heart from neutrophil-induced reperfusion injury and oxidative stress. Because the respiratory burst activity of neutrophils is also significantly reduced in the presence of taurine, perhaps taurine's protective effect is mediated by its antioxidative properties.17

Azuma and associates have observed that taurine alleviates physical signs and symptoms of congestive heart failure (CHF).18-20 Chazov et al were able to demonstrate that taurine could reverse EKG abnormalities such as S-T segment changes, T-wave inversions, and extra systoles in animals with chemically-induced arrhythmias.21

A double-blind, placebo-controlled crossover study suggested, "taurine is an effective agent for the treatment of heart failure without any adverse effects." 22 Fourteen patients (9 men and 5 women) with CHF were evaluated initially and baseline data were obtained. Patients were assigned a "heart-failure score" based on the degree of dyspnea, pulmonary sounds, signs of right-heart failure, and chest film abnormalities. All patients were continued on digitalis with diuretics and/or vasodilators throughout the study period. Patients received 6 grams per day in divided doses of either taurine or placebo for four weeks, followed by a 2-week "wash-out" period. Prior to the cross-over period, baseline data were obtained for the following study period, in which patients received placebo or taurine, whichever was not taken during the first study period. Heart-failure scores fell from 5.8 ± 0.7 before taurine administration to 3.7 ± 0.5 after taurine (p < 0.001); the score did not change significantly during the placebo period. A "favorable response was observed in 79 percent (11/14 patients) during the taurine-treated period and in 21 percent (3/14 patients) during the placebo-treated period; 4 patients worsened during the placebo period, whereas none did during the taurine period (p less than 0.05)."22

Research has also been conducted in animals to determine whether oral taurine increased survivability in CHF which resulted from surgically-induced aortic regurgitation. Albino rabbits received either taurine (100 mg/kg) or placebo after surgical damage to the aortic cusps, which produced aortic regurgitation. "Cumulative mortality at 8 weeks of non-treated rabbits following aortic regurgitation was 52% (12/23 animals) compared with 11% (1/9 animals) in taurine-treated group (p less than 0.05)... Taurine prevented the rapid progress of congestive heart failure induced artificially by aortic regurgitation, and consequently prolonged the life expectancy." 23



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Bile Acid Conjugation and Cholesterol Excretion

The liver forms a 2-4 gram bile acid pool that has approximately ten enterohepatic cycles per day, with the terminal ileum serving as the main absorption site for the enterohepatic recycling of approximately 80 percent of these acids. Bile acids function as a detergent for emulsification and absorption of lipids and fat-soluble vitamins. Critical to this function of bile are the bile salts which, because of their lipophilic and hydrophilic components, can lower surface tension and form micelles. Two major bile acids are derived from hepatic cholesterol metabolism: cholic acid and chenodeoxycholic acid. From these primary bile acids, intestinal bacteria form the secondary bile acids deoxycholic acid and lithocholic acid, respectively. For these bile acids to be solubilized at physiological pH, it is essential they be conjugated through peptide linkages with either glycine or taurine; these amino acid conjugates are referred to as bile salts.

Taurine conjugation of bile acids has a significant effect on the solubility of cholesterol, increasing its excretion, and administration of taurine has been shown to reduce serum cholesterol levels in human subjects. In a single-blind, placebo-controlled study, 22 healthy male volunteers, aged 18-29 years, were randomly placed in one of two groups and fed a high fat/high cholesterol diet, designed to raise serum cholesterol levels, for three weeks. The experimental group received 6 grams of taurine daily. At the end of the test period, the control group had significantly higher total cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol levels than the group receiving taurine.24



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Cystic Fibrosis

Most cystic fibrosis (CF) patients suffer from nutrient malabsorption, where much of the insult is in the ileum. Since the terminal ileum serves as the main absorption site for the enterohepatic recycling of approximately 80 percent of bile acids, they are malabsorbed as well. Taurine supplementation has been shown to decrease the severity of steatorrhea associated with many CF cases.25,26 In one double-blind crossover study, 13 CF children with steatorrhea of at least 13 grams per day were treated with a taurine dose of 30 mg/kg/day. The study continued for two consecutive 4-month durations and involved both placebo and treatment periods. Ninety-two percent of the CF children showed decreased fecal fatty acid and sterol excretion while taking taurine.25 In CF patients with a high degree of steatorrhea, bile acid absorption was increased with taurine supplementation, suggesting a possible role for taurine in treating malabsorption.26



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Detoxification

Due to its ability to neutralize hypochlorous acid, a potent oxidizing substance, taurine is able to attenuate DNA damage caused by aromatic amine compounds in vitro.27 Because of taurine's unique structure, containing a sulfonic acid moiety rather than carboxylic acid, it does not form an aldehyde from hypochlorous acid, forming instead a relatively stable chloroamine compound. Hence, taurine is an antioxidant that specifically mediates the chloride ion and hypochlorous acid concentration, and protects the body from potentially toxic effects of aldehyde release.

Taurine has also been reported to protect against carbon tetrachloride-induced toxicity.28-31 In rats exposed to carbon tetrachloride (CCl4), hepatic taurine content decreased significantly 12 and 24 hours after CCl4 administration. However, oral administration of taurine to CCl4-exposed rats was able to protect these animals from hepatic taurine depletion, suggesting that hepatic taurine may play a critical role in the protection of hepatocytes against hepatotoxins such as CCl4.28

Exposure to bacterial endotoxins has been suggested as one factor which can augment the magnitude of individual responses to xenobiotics.32 Circulating endotoxins of intestinal origin have been found to create a positive feedback on endotoxin translocation from the gut, stimulating increases in serum endo-toxin levels. In experimental animals, taurine was found to significantly inhibit intestinal translocation and to protect the animals from endotoxemic injury.33 Therefore, it is possible taurine might be able to modify factors underlying susceptibility to toxic chemicals.



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Hepatic Disorders

Two groups of patients with acute hepatitis, all with serum bilirubin levels above 3 mg/dl, were studied in a double-blind, randomized protocol. Subjects in the treatment group received 4 grams of taurine three times daily. Bilirubin, total bile acids, and biliary glycine:taurine ratio all decreased significantly in the taurine group within one week as compared to controls.34



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Alcoholism

Twenty-two patients undergoing treatment for alcohol withdrawal were given 1 gram of taurine three times per day orally for seven days. When compared to retrospective controls, significantly fewer of the taurine-treated patients had psychotic episodes (14% vs. 45%, p < 0.05). The number of psychotic cases after admission who had also been psychotic before admission was 1/16 for the taurine group and 11/17 for the controls (p < 0.001).35

Recently, acamprosate, a synthetic taurine analog, has been shown to be clinically useful in the treatment of alcohol dependence.36-41 Currently available only in Europe, acamprosate (calcium acetylhomotaurinate) has a chemical structure similar to that of gamma-aminobutyric acid, and is thought to act via several mechanisms affecting multiple neurotransmitter systems, and by modulation of calcium ion fluxes. About 50 percent of alcoholic patients relapse within three months of treatment. In a pooled analysis of data from 11 randomized, placebo-controlled trials involving a total of 3,338 patients with alcohol dependence, those treated with acamprosate showed higher abstinence rates and durations of abstinence during 6- to 12-month post-treatment follow-up periods, when compared to those receiving placebo.36

In a two-year, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study, 272 patients initially were given short-term detoxification treatment, and then received routine counseling and either acamprosate or placebo for 48 weeks, after which they were followed for another 48 weeks without medication. Subjects who received acamprosate showed a significantly higher continuous abstinence rate at the end of the treatment period compared to those who were assigned to the placebo group (43% vs 21%, p = .005), and they had a significantly longer mean abstinence duration of 224 vs 163 days, or 62 percent vs 45 percent days abstinent (p < .001). However, there was no difference in psychiatric symptoms. At the end of a further 48 weeks without receiving study medication, 39 percent and 17 percent of the acamprosate- and placebo-treated patients, respectively, had remained abstinent (p = .003).37

Two in vitro studies have been published comparing the effects of acamprosate and calcium acetyltaurinate on ionic membrane transfer.40,41 Ethanol has been shown to reduce ionic transfer through alterations in the cationic paracellular pathway, the coupling between two adjacent epithelial cells, the monovalent cation pump, and the antiport system. In both of these studies, the results indicate two closely related compounds have different effects on ionic membrane transfer. Therefore, caution should be used in extrapolating the effects of acamprosate to taurine or other taurine analogs.



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Ocular Disorders

The retina contains one of the highest concentrations of taurine in the body. In cats, when the retina has been depleted to about one-half its normal taurine content, changes in the photoreceptor cells begin to appear, and further depletion can result in permanent retinal degeneration.42 In some respects, the retinal degeneration seen in the human disease retinitis pigmentosa (RP) is similar to that observed in taurine-deficient cats. However, studies of plasma and platelet taurine levels in patients with RP have yielded very inconsistent results.43-45 A clinical trial of taurine (1-2 g/day) for one year in patients with RP did not result in any laboratory or clinical evidence of improvement, although some subjective benefits were reported.46



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Epilepsy

Although several clinical trials involving taurine supplementation in epileptic patients have been reported, most have major methodological flaws.47 Depending on the criteria used, the degree of success reported in various trials using taurine in the treatment of epilepsy has been between 16 and 90 percent.48-56 In these trials, dosages ranged from 375 to 8,000 mg/day. The precise role of taurine in synaptic transmission is uncertain, and its antiepileptic action, confirmed in several models of experimental epilepsy and in short-term clinical studies, does not seem to possess major clinical relevance since trials with a longer follow-up period have generally produced less satisfactory results. Taurine's limited diffusibility across the blood-brain barrier may be the main factor restricting the antiepileptic effect of this compound.



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Alzheimer's Disease

Levels of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine have been described as abnormally low in patients with Alzheimer's disease. These insufficient levels are presumed to be related to the memory loss which characterizes the condition, and treatment of Alzheimer's disease based on this premise has been proposed.57 Taurine administered to experimental animals has been able to increase the level of acetylcholine in the brain,58 and researchers have demonstrated that decreased concentrations of taurine are present in the cerebral spinal fluid of patients with advanced symptoms of Alzheimer's disease when compared to age-matched controls.59 To date, no clinical trials on the use of taurine for the treatment of Alzheimer's disease have been reported in the medical literature.



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Diabetes

Both plasma and platelet taurine levels have been found to be depressed in insulin-dependent diabetic patients; however, these levels were raised to normal with oral taurine supplementation. In addition, the amount of arachidonic acid needed to induce platelet aggregation was lower in these patients than in healthy subjects. Taurine supplementation reversed this effect as well, reducing platelet aggregation. In vitro experiments demonstrated that taurine reduced platelet aggregation in diabetic patients in a dose-dependent manner, while having no effect on the aggregation of platelets from healthy subjects.



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Conclusion

Although it is readily apparent that taurine is important in conjugating bile acids to form water-soluble bile salts, only a fraction of available taurine is used for this function. Taurine is also involved in a number of other crucially important processes, including calcium ion flux, membrane stabilization, and detoxification. Some areas of investigation into the clinical uses of taurine have revealed significant applications for this amino acid: congestive heart failure, cystic fibrosis, toxic exposure, and hepatic disorders. Other conditions such as epilepsy and diabetes will require further research before a clear rationale for the use of taurine can be developed.



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44. Uma SM, Satapathy M, Sitaramayya A. Decreased plasma taurine levels in retinitis pigmentosa. Biochem Med 1983;30:49-52.

45. Voaden MJ, Hussain AA, Chan IRP. Studies on retinitis pigmentosa in man. I. Taurine and blood platelets. Br J Ophthalmol 1982;66:771-775.

46. Reccia R, Pignalosa B, Grasso A, Campanella G. Taurine treatment in retinitis pigmentosa. Acta Neurologica 1980;18:132-136.

47. Fariello RG, Golden GT, McNeal RB Jr. Taurine and related amino acids in seizure disorders - current controversies. Prog Clin Biol Res 1985;179:413-424.

48. Airaksinen EM, Oja SS, Marnela KM, et al. Effects of taurine treatment on epileptic patients. Prog Clin Biol Res 1980;39:157-166.

49. Barbeau A, Inoue N, Tsukada Y, Butterworth RF. The neuropharmacology of taurine. Life Sci 1975;17:669-678.

50. Bergamini L, Mutani R, Delsedime M, Durelli L. First clinical experience on the antiepileptic action of taurine. Eur Neurol 1974;11:261-269.

51. Konig P, Kriechbaum G, Presslich O, et al. Orally-administered taurine in therapy-resistant epilepsy. Wien Klin Wochenschr 1977;89:111-113.

52. Marchesi GF, Quattrini A, Scarpino O, Dellantonio R. Therapeutic effects of taurine in epilepsy: a clinical and polyphysiographic study. Riv Patol Nerv Ment 1975;96:166-184.

53. Mongiovi A. Clinical study on the control of epilepsy using taurine. Riv Neurol 1978;48:305-325.

54. Takahashi R, Nakane Y. Clinical trial of taurine in epilepsy. In: Barbeau A, Huxtable RJ, eds. Taurine and Neurological Disorders. New York:Raven Press;1978:375.

55. Van Gelder NM, Sherwin AL, Sacks C, Anderman F. Biochemical observations following administration of taurine to patients with epilepsy. Brain Res 1975;94:297-306.

56. Mantovani J, DeVivo DC. Effects of taurine on seizures and growth hormone release in epileptic patients. Arch Neurol 1979;36:672-674.

57. Alder JT, Chessell IP, Bowen DM. A neurochemical approach for studying response to acetylcholine in Alzheimer's disease. Neurochem Res 1995;20:769-771.

58. Tomaszewski A, Kleinrok A, Zackiewicz A, et al. Effect of various amino acids on acetylcholine metabolism in brain tissue. Ann Univ Mariae Curie Sklodowska 1982;37:61-70.

59. Csernansky JG, Bardgett ME, Sheline YI, et al. CSF excitatory amino acids and severity of illness in Alzheimer's disease. Neurology 1996;46:1715-1720.

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The following was part of "cocksucker" thread, posted by Animal.




Taurine


Taurine, a sulfur containing amino acid derived from the amino acid cystine, is a component of the bile salts produced in the liver (it was first isolated from ox bile). It is important for proper digestion of fats and absorption of fat soluble vitamins. But only a fraction of available taurine is used to make bile salts,2 while an enormous amount floats freely inside cells.

Taurine is not incorporated into proteins but remains free in the tissues, especially muscle and nerve tissues. It has a number of therapeutic uses including acting as a membrane stabilizer and reducing arrhythmias of the heart. Taurine also enhances the contractile strength of heart muscle (called a positive inotropic effect)3, and thus can help treat heart failure which is a decreased ability of the heart to pump out all the blood that flows into it. When the heart is failing, the blood backs up and forces fluid out into the tissues (edema) by osmosis. This leads to either swelling of the legs or fluid in the lungs and shortness of breath, depending on which part of the heart is more involved.

In a 1984 animal study, taurine protected against heart failure, reducing mortality by 80 percent in the taurine treated group with no diminishment of cardiac function.4 In a later animal study in 1988, taurine was shown to lower blood pressure.5 My own clinical experience confirms some of these effects of taurine, and I commonly give it to patients with heart failure and high blood pressure.

Taurine is also beneficial for the eyes enhancing the rods and cones (the pigmented epithelial cells in the retina of the eye that serve as visual receptor cells). The greatest visual acuity occurs in the macular area of the retina near where the optic nerve enters from the back of the eye. With aging, the macula commonly degenerates as rods and cones die, often causing blindness. What causes the degeneration is not clear, but it is more common in diabetics and may be the result of free radical damage from ultraviolet light or oxygen exposure.6

A review of animal studies reveals that taurine appears to protect the eyes from macular degeneration.7 In one 1975 research report, a diet deficient in taurine was associated with retinal degeneration in cats.8 Thus, taurine can be part of a comprehensive approach to macular degeneration that also includes antioxidant nutrients, minerals, flavonoids, botanicals and chelation therapy (an intravenous therapy done in a doctor's office).

Because taurine is a neuroinhibitory amino acid, it may help treat seizure disorders. Some animal studies have suggested a role for taurine in controlling seizures, but the results are not consistent. In 1977, a cat with chronic epileptic seizures was successfully treated with taurine both orally and intravenously.9 Other studies have also suggested taurine's supportive role for seizures, but some clinical trials have shown limited benefits or have not confirmed this effect of taurine. I have used
taurine, in combination with magnesium and other nutrients, in my seizure patients with some success. It seems to enhance the effects of some of their seizure medications so they can take a lower dose.




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2. Chesney R.W. "Taurine: Its biological role and clinical implications," Adv Pediatr 32: 1 42, 1985.

3. Pisarenko, O.I. "Mechanisms of myocardial protection by amino acids: Facts and hypotheses," Clin Exp
Pharmacol Physiol 23(: 627 33, August, 1996.

4. Azuma, J., et al. "Beneficial effect of taurine on congestive heart failure induced by chronic aortic
regurgitation in rabbits," Res Commun Chem Pathol Pharmacol 45(2): 261 70, August, 1984.

5. Fujita, T., Sato, Y. "Hypotensive effect of taurine. Possible involvement of the sympathetic nervous system
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6. Gaby, A.R., Wright, J.V. "Nutritional factors in degenerative eye disorders: Cataract and macular
degeneration," J Adv Med 6(1): 27 4O, Spring 1993.

7. Chesney, R.W. op. cit.

8. Hayes, K.C., Carey, R.E., et al. "Retinal degeneration associated with taurine deficiency in the cat,"
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9. van Gelder, N.M., Koyama, I., et al. "Taurine treatment of spontaneous chronic epilepsy in a cat,"
Epilepsia 18(1): 45 54, March, 1977.

10. Pola, P., et al. "Statistical evaluation of long term L carnitine therapy in hyperlipoproteinaemias," Drugs
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human erythrocytes," Biochim Biophys Acta 986(1): 83 8. Nov. 17, 1989.

14. Ghidini, O., Azzurro, M., et al. "Evaluation of the therapeutic efficacy of L carnitine in congestive heart
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15. Dragan, I.G., Vasiliu A., et al. "Studies concerning chronic and acute effects of L carnitina in elite
athletes" Physiologie 26(2): 111 29, April June, 1989.

Taurine is the most abundant free amino acid in the brain, heart, and nervous system, and it plays a role in the normal functioning of the brain, heart, gallbladder, eyes, and vascular system. It facilitates the passage of sodium, potassium, and, possibly, calcium and magnesium, ions into and
out of cells, and electrically stabalizes cell membranes. It modulates the activity the activity of cAMP, which activates important enzymes in heary muscle, and contributes to the muscle's contractibility. Taurine is an important component of bile acids which aid in the absorption of fat soluble vitamins. It aids the body's chemistry by detoxifying harmful chemicals. Dietary taurine stimulates the formation of taurocholate, a substance which increases cholesterol secretion in the bile and also improves fat metabolism in the liver. Taurine offers a wide range of nutritional support to many organ systems throughout the body; as a supplement it is most notable known for
its heart muscle support.

Taurine induced NO production lowers cholesterol and dialtes veins too..


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Age-related progressive renal fibrosis in rats and its prevention with ACE inhibitors and taurine
Carmen Iglesias-De La Cruz1, Piedad Ruiz-Torres1, Raimundo Garcнa del Moral3, Manuel Rodrнguez-Puyol1, and Diego Rodrнguez-Puyol2,4
Departments of 1 Physiology and 2 Medicine, Alcalб University, Madrid; 3 Department of Pathology, Granada University, 18012 Granada; and 4 Nephrology Section, Hospital Prнncipe de Asturias, 28871 Alcalб de Heuares, Madrid, Spain

Our previous studies demonstrated an increased reactive oxygen species (ROS) production, as well as transforming growth factor-1 (TGF-1) expression in the rat kidney with aging. In the present study, we examined the effect of aging on extracellular matrix (ECM) accumulation and the effects of treatment with angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors (captopril and lisinopril) and taurine, an antioxidant amino acid. Age-related increases in types I and IV collagen and fibronectin mRNA expression were found at 24 and 30 mo of age. In contrast, type III collagen only increased in 30-mo-old rats. Captopril-, lisinopril-, and taurine-treated animals showed a statistically significant decrease in ECM protein expression at both ages. Moreover, treatment with taurine reduced the TGF-1 mRNA levels in 24- and 30-mo-old rats by 40%. Taurine also completely blocked increases in type I and type IV collagen expression in mesangial cells in response to TGF-1. Our results demonstrate a protective role from both converting enzyme inhibitors and taurine in the age-related progressive renal sclerosis. In addition, taking into account that taurine is considered as an antioxidant amino acid, present data suggest a role for ROS in age-related progressive renal fibrosis, perhaps through interactions with the TGF-1 pathway.



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Inhibition of hypertension and salt intake by oral taurine treatment in hypertensive rats.

Abe M, Shibata K, Matsuda T, Furukawa T.

Department of Pharmacology, School of Medicine, Fukuoka University, Japan.

Effects of oral treatment with taurine on fluid intakes produced by renin were assessed in spontaneously hypertensive rats of the Okamoto strain (SHR). Renin injected into the preoptic area increased water intake and evoked salt (2.7% NaCl solution) intake, and angiotensin II injected into this area increased water intake, but not salt intake, in both SHR and control normotensive Wistar-Kyoto rats (WKY). The salt intake elicited by renin, but not water intake produced by renin or angiotensin II, was potentiated in SHR. These effects of renin and angiotensin II on fluid intakes were antagonized by previous administration of taurine or gamma-aminobutyric acid into the cerebral ventricles in both strains. When SHR received water containing 3% taurine from 32 to 105 days of age, development of hypertension was inhibited. Renin administered into the preoptic area at 105 days of age caused an increase in salt intake, but the increase was markedly inhibited by the oral administration of taurine as well. These results show that salt appetite produced by centrally administered renin is exaggerated in SHR and that development of hypertension as well as renin-induced salt appetite in SHR is inhibited by dietary taurine.




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Taurine ameliorates chronic streptozocin-induced diabetic nephropathy in rats
H. Trachtman, S. Futterweit, J. Maesaka, C. Ma, E. Valderrama, A. Fuchs, A. A. Tarectecan, P. S. Rao, J. A. Sturman, T. H. Boles and al. et
Department of Pediatrics, Schneider Children's Hospital, Long Island Jewish Medical Center, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, New Hyde Park, New York 11040, USA.

We examined the effect of two endogenous antioxidant agents, taurine and vitamin E, on renal function in experimental diabetes. Male Sprague-Dawley rats, rendered diabetic with streptozocin (STZ), were assigned to one of the following groups: 1) untreated; 2) insulin treatment with 6 U Ultralente insulin/day in two doses; 3) taurine supplementation by 1% taurine in drinking water; and 4) vitamin E supplementation at 100 IU vitamin E/kg chow. Animals were kept for 52 wk. The survival rate was similar (70-90%) in all groups except vitamin E-treated animals, of which 84% died by 6 mo. At 52 wk, glomerular filtration rate was elevated in untreated and taurine-treated STZ rats compared with normal or insulin-treated diabetic rats. Taurine supplementation reduced total proteinuria and albuminuria by nearly 50%. This treatment also prevented glomerular hypertrophy, preserved immunohistochemical staining for type IV collagen in glomeruli, and diminished glomerulosclerosis and tubulointerstitial fibrosis in diabetic animals. The changes in renal function and structure in taurine-treated diabetic rats were associated with normalization of renal cortical malondialdehyde content, lowering of serum free Fe2+ concentration, and decreased formation of the advanced glycooxidation products, pentosidine, and fluorescence in skin collagen. Administration of the vitamin E-enriched diet exacerbated the nephropathy in STZ-diabetic rats. In addition, vitamin E supplementation increased serum free Fe2+ concentration, enhanced renal lipid peroxidation, and accelerated the accumulation of advanced glycosylation end products (AGEs) in skin collagen. We conclude that administration of taurine, but not vitamin E, to rats with STZ-diabetes ameliorates diabetic nephropathy. The beneficial effect of taurine is related to reduced renal oxidant injury with decreased lipid peroxidation and less accumulation of AGEs within the kidney.



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Taurine is a two-carbon, beta-amino acid, β-aminoethylsulfonic acid. Since taurine is not found in animal proteins, synthesis by the body is crucial. Taurine is synthesized from cysteine, and the conversion requires vitamin B6 (Figure 4-11). High plasma taurine is found associated with various stress reactions [86], apparently mediated by release of interleukin [87]. Increased plasma taurine is found in patients suffering from episodic acute psychosis characterized by sensory perceptual distortions. In such patients, oral loading with either serine or glycine can induce psychedelic symptoms [5]. The higher plasma taurine level in serineresponsive patients is caused by an increased synthesis of taurine from homocysteine and serine. Higher plasma taurine values are part of a pattern of amino acids associated with major depression [60]. Lower plasma glycine values and a higher serine/glycine ratio are found in depressed individuals. Depression is accompanied by decreasedexcitatory amino acids (e.g., glutamate), and increased inhibitory amino acids (e.g., taurine). A high plasma level can indicate excessiveproduction of taurine due to an inflammatory process mediated by white blood cells.

Taurine is found in high concentrations in heart muscle and white blood cells. Taurine is involved in mediation of chemical oxidation by white blood cell phagocytes in response to respiratory burst activity. Low or low normal cystine may indicate rapid conversion to taurine. Inadequate taurine supplies allow the oxidative activity to go unchecked, leading to excess oxidative damage and formation of aldehydes. Individuals with this condition are allergy-prone and often extremely sensitive to environmental chemicals. Taurine in the form of taurocholic acid is a key component of bile. Low taurine may accompany fat digestion problems [157], fatsoluble vitamin deficiencies, and high serum cholesterol levels [158]. Heart and brain cells require taurine for intracellular retention of calcium, magnesium, and potassium. Taurine has been used successfully in the treatment of congestive heart failure and is implicated in night blindness, arrhythmia, angina, hypercholesterolemia, and atherosclerosis [88]. Taurine deficiencies have been implicated in both neurological (epilepsy) and cardiovascular dysfunction. Beta-agonist drugs cause a reduction in the body pool of taurine [89, 90]. Choline supplementation may stimulate taurine synthesis due to its methyl-donator sparing function on methionine, thus freeing methionine for taurine biosynthesis [91]. Taurine also stabilizes platelets against aggregation. Platelets from taurine-depleted animals are twice as sensitive to aggregation as platelets from those receiving taurine. In addition, human subjects with normal taurine status show increased resistance to platelet aggregation by 30 or 70% when supplemented with taurine at 400 or 1600 mg/d, respectively [92]. Plasma taurine is easily raised by dietary supplementation. Concurrent low cysteine is also relevant in taurine depletion. Cysteine addition to formulas used for home parenteral nutrition normalizes plasma taurine concentrations in children with short gut syndrome [159].


Yucca Ven 15 Juin 2007 a écrit:Moins de Taurine ?

J'ai essayé différentes doses, à différents moments de la journée.
L'effet sédatif n'apparait pour moi qu'à partir de 3-4g, donc je prends 1 cuillère à café bien bombée, ce qui fait environ 5g.

L'effet sur la normalisation du rythme cardiaque : dose idem, et même supérieure (j'ai essayé jusqu'à 10g). Ca se ressent par ex après un entrainement très dur, après lequel le rythme cardiaque a tendance à rester assez élevé toute la soirée (si entrainement vers 18h). Avec 5 à 10g de taurine, il revient à un rythme normal en quelques minutes.

L'effet sur la récupération musculaire (plus jamais de crampes ou d'accès de tétanie la nuit après une séance de squats, par ex.) : des doses de 1g réparties en 3-4 x dans la journée semblent suffire, mais comme 5g au coucher font l'affaire pour tout, je reste à cette dose.

Le prix est ridiculement faible si acheté en poudre, et en + c'est un anti oxydant. Que demander de plus ?
Probablement le supplément le + sous estimé de toute l'histoire du sport (et des cardiologues)...
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Merci pour ces précisions tres interessantes :D

Pour le valeriane je vais essayer, faut pas que ma mere capte parcequ'elle vient de peter un cable pour la vitC déja haha
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Messagepar Alain-SPN le 22/06/2010 09h37

Max a écrit:Pour le valeriane je vais essayer, faut pas que ma mere capte parcequ'elle vient de peter un cable pour la vitC déja haha


Elle préfère que tu prennes les médocs chimiques prescrits par ton médecin? Ou que tu ne dormes pas?

Si tu te décides pour la valériane, prends un extrait standardisé. Une capsule vers 20h, l'autre 45 min avant de se coucher par exemple. Les effets peuvent commencer à se manifester seulement après quelques jours voire 1-2 semaines.
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Messagepar Max le 22/06/2010 10h36

Non mais je lui ai fait dépenser tellement d'argent en plantes/vitamines & co qu'elle commence a saturer
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Messagepar Juve le 22/06/2010 13h33

Suit plutot mon conseil :idiot: :arrow:
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Messagepar Max le 22/06/2010 14h30

Ouais quand on arrive pas a s'endormir, mais la c'est pas mon cas haha
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Messagepar audiomaniac le 22/06/2010 17h16

la valeriane va plutot t'aider à t'endormir, mais pas à le rester
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Messagepar Jake le 22/06/2010 20h00

moi aussi ca m'arrive d'avoir des problemes de sommeils, et c'est surtout quand je branle rien de la journée !

il me faut 1h voir 2 pour m'endormir des fois, et si je me réveille, c'est fini, ou alors je lutte pour dormir ca me prend 2h de plus, et quand je me re-reveille je suis KO :ill:

resultat: des nuits de merde, sommeil irrégulié ! c'est chiant, mais je suis pas fatigué dutout !

et si j'ai des journée bien remplis, je m'endors comme une masse sans me réveillé !

là ou ca peut devenir plus emmerdant, c'est si ta des journées de folie et que tu dort pas !
For me to poop on !
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Messagepar Looping le 22/07/2010 22h53

J ne nous préconisait il pas d en prendre en prétraining ?
1g car au dela de 3ou 4 c est sédatif oui mais pas si bas au contraire.!!
Doc je crois que yucca parlait un peu vite...
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Messagepar Nezumi le 23/07/2010 00h07

C'est peut-être tout simplement ton rythme naturel ?
"Quand on a envie d'un pain au chocolat, il vaut mieux le manger tout de suite que de craquer plus tard et s'en enfiler deux."
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Messagepar Max le 23/07/2010 07h33

Il fait chier le rythme alors, raz le cul de devoir me coucher tot moi :D
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Messagepar Nezumi le 23/07/2010 09h23

Perso c'est le mien, tous les jours réveil vers 6h du lundi au dimanche en période de travail, en vacances maximum 8h, mais très facile de m'endormir le soir. Et comme toi j'ai une horloge qui me réveille 5 min avant que mon réveil ne sonne.
C'est un peu chiant socialement, car du coup je pique du nez vers 22h, même quand je suis en soirée ou en date avec une meufe :idiot:
"Quand on a envie d'un pain au chocolat, il vaut mieux le manger tout de suite que de craquer plus tard et s'en enfiler deux."
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Messagepar audiomaniac le 23/07/2010 09h25

tu te reveilles avec un téléphone portable ?

est il a proximité ?
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Messagepar Max le 23/07/2010 10h22

Oui au deux :D
Enfin a +/- 1m
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Messagepar Fred le 23/07/2010 20h35

+1 pas bon le téléphone portable a proximité.
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Messagepar audiomaniac le 08/08/2010 15h38

Max a écrit:Oui au deux :D
Enfin a +/- 1m


essaye de l'éloigner
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Messagepar Nezumi le 08/08/2010 15h52

Feedback ?
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Bah pour l'instant ca ne m'a toujours rien fait :P
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Messagepar Nezumi le 09/08/2010 09h03

Donc t'es fait pour élever des poules !
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Messagepar Invite le 09/08/2010 09h14

C'est un peu normal.
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Messagepar Maxoo le 09/08/2010 15h21

Fred a écrit:+1 pas bon le téléphone portable a proximité.

pkoi est ce néfaste?
Vous le mettez ou? Moi sur le chevet près du réveil.
En tout ton problème est contraire au mien. Jendors facile a n'importe quelle heure et depuis une semaine j'entends plus mon réveil :( je me réveille toujours une heure après. Et ce que je dorme 10 ou 6h. Et chose chelou ça me fatigue.
En tout bon courage pr trouver la cause.
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Messagepar Florian le 09/08/2010 15h43

Ben perso le portable je l'éteint la nuit, je vois pas l'intérêt de le laisser à part pour être réveillé, et si c'est vraiment urgent (genre ma copine est pris en otage à son boulot ( :idiot: ), on m'appellera sur le fixe :idiot:
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Messagepar Max le 09/08/2010 17h16

:lol: Flo :P Toujours avec ta copine d'il y a un an d'ailleurs ?

Sinon le portable ca émet des ondes qui aparemment pourraient perturber le sommeil. Sinon en mode avion ca devrait etre pareil qu'éteint non ?
Sinon moi le tel me sert surtout pour savoir l'heure dans la nuit, j'ai pas de reveil, et surtout la lumiere d'un reveil me gêne pour m'endormir.
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Messagepar Maxoo le 09/08/2010 17h21

Moi aussi me sert de réveil malgré un radio reveil mais j'aime pas la sonnerie :) par contre ça me gêne pas la couleur rouge des chiffres. dc je mets le portable en vibreur. Jessaierai de leteindre mais ne sais pas si il sonnera quand même.

Sinon Max tu n'a pas encore trouvé de soluce et ça n'a pas changer?
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Messagepar Max le 09/08/2010 17h38

Non toujours pas :(
La VitC m'a un peu aidé mais pas des masses.
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Messagepar Florian le 09/08/2010 21h34

:lol: Flo :P Toujours avec ta copine d'il y a un an d'ailleurs ?


Oui ahah mais bon c'est la merde :idiot:

T'as essayé une douche/bain tiède avant de dormir ? J'ai ton problème aussi mais pas tous les jours quand même, et ça m'aide bien à mieux m'endormir et avoir un sommeil plus profond.

Il existe des médecins du sommeil aussi, mais bon si c'est pour prescrire des médocs... :ill:
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Messagepar Jean-bob le 09/08/2010 21h36

Essaie de fermer les yeux :idiot:
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Messagepar Invite le 09/08/2010 22h22

Florian a écrit:Il existe des médecins du sommeil aussi, mais bon si c'est pour prescrire des médocs... :ill:


La quantité des prescriptions dépend toujours du médecin. Ce n'est pas relié à la spécialité.

Quelques conseils habituellement donnés:
- éviter l'activité physique en soirée
- éviter la caféine ou les boissons stimulantes dès l'après-midi
- éviter d'utiliser son ordinateur plusieurs heures avant le couché
- éviter de regarder la TV trop tardivement
- prendre un bain ou une douche
- s'exposer suffisamment à une lumière vive en journée

liste non exhaustive
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Messagepar Max le 10/08/2010 07h19

Essaie de fermer les yeux :idiot:

C'est donc ca :eek:


merci pour ces conseils, mais c'est ceux que j'adopte dans la vie de tous les jours en regle générale. j'ai rendez vous fin aout dans un centre spécialisé du sommeil, on verra bien...


@Flo : En meme temps si c'est pas la merde c'est que ca serait un mec que t'avais au pieu :idiot:
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