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The State of Competitive Body-building

Messagepar Arnaud H. le 28/08/2003 13h04

je sais pas si vous connaissez déjà cette interview, si oui mes excuses!

Sorry aussi à ceux qui ne maitrisent pas la langue de Shakespeare !!


The State of Competitive Bodybuilding


The Most Shocking Bodybuilding Interview Ever


(IRONMAN, February '97)


by Steve Holman



Warning: This is an extremely controversial interview. To be honest, we

almost decided not to print it; however, because IRONMAN has always been an

open forum, going to great lengths to tell the whole truth, we felt it was

our responsibility to the sport and to you, the reader, to allow this

athlete to speak his mind. It took a lot of courage for this man to stand

up and tell it like it is, and we are keeping him anonymous to protect his

status as a professional bodybuilder. We¹re inserting [blanks] in place of

names to help protect his identity‹no process of elimination to narrow down

the field‹and also in place of drug names, so drug-using bodybuilders don¹t

get any inadvertent ³help² with their drug programs. Keep in mind that we

paid this man nothing because we feel money can only corrupt the

information. When people are paid a high sum, they feel as if they have to

give the interviewer his or her money¹s worth, and that can result in

exaggeration. As you read this, remember that this athlete came to us

because, like us, he loves bodybuilding and wants to see it prosper, not

die a painful drug-induced death. Fasten your seatbelts. This dose of

reality is going to open your eyes like nothing ever printed in this or any

other bodybuilding magazine.



IM: You want to get some things off your chest. You have the bodybuilding

world's ear. What is it you want to talk about?



BB: Well, you know, most of the things nobody wants to talk about. I want

to let everybody know how it really is.



IM: How it is with the drugs?



BB: Damn right!



IM: You're having to take too many, correct?



BB: Way too many, man.



IM: What kind of drug bill are we talking about?



BB: Well, growth hormone alone costs you $30,000 a year.



IM: Good lord!



BB: And steroids, that's not a really big problem. I use a lot, but you can

get it cheap. Mostly you gotta pay people to tell you how to use them. The

growth hormone, IGF-IÅ .



IM: And just the thought of putting all that in your body all at one time -

‹that's gotta take its toll on you mentally too.



BB: Well, I don't mind a little bit, because I do like big arms, big back,

big chest and legs and everything. But when it comes to the point where I'm

as big as I want to get‹ . . .



IM: They tell you that you have to get bigger, right?



BB: Yeah, I don't have a choice. I'm gonna be bigger. Next year you're

going to see me 24 pounds heavier. You know it¹s the whole mind-set that

you gotta get bigger and sacrifice your shape. I may not like the way my

back looks. I mean, I've got improvements to make, obviously. But those

things come with time. Maturing into a physique is nice, but they want a

monster.



IM: Do you think it can ever stop? I mean, if people keep getting bigger,

what's going to happen to the sport?



BB: Well, the sport is already‹ . . .



IM: Out of control?



BB: Yeah. It's an underground sport. It's [a cult that] likes to see the

freaky mass monsters.... They really don't care. They just say, Whatever it

takes to do that, that's what we want to see. But I think a lot of people

want to see something that's somewhat attainable.



IM: Do you think the size of the competitors has caused the people to be a

little blasé about it all? Like: Well, they're just going to have to do

what it takes. We don't care; if they die, they die. We want to see 'em

bigger, and we want to see 'em better.



BB: That¹s right. They want us to do it, and the judges want to see

something bigger. In order for us to make a living and live our dreams, we

gotta do whatever it takes, you know? You got guys like [blank, a

bodybuilding columnist for another magazine] saying, "Well, nobody's making

you." I guess nobody is, but a lot of us [have] this dream of being the

best of the built.



IM: Absolutely. And it's a performance thing too. It's gratifying to be on

stage. What do you think is a solution here? Do you think there is one at

this point?



BB: Well, it's hard to say. Once you've seen extreme physique development,

how are you going to train the eye of the audience to accept something

less? You can practically see [some of these guys'] lungs when they do rear

lat spreads. You just gotta accept something less. By the way, before I go

on, let me tell you right now, there's a lot of things in your hands.



IM: I understand. Your identity is completely confidential, I promise you

that. We'll just say you're a top pro. That's all.



BB: Right. Okay. Ask anything.



IM: Do you think part of the solution is for the judges to start rewarding

a more aesthetic physique?



BB: That would be the only way the sport would go into a positive

direction. Like Bob Paris.Å 



IM: Right, if Bob Paris came back. I think the problem is you have to have

an eye for that type of physique, and the general public and most

bodybuilding fans don't have it, so they look at size as the top criterion

for victory.



BB: I think there¹s a certain presence, an aura to a really complete

physique like Lee Labrada's, rather than someone who's just grotesque.



IM: Getting back to the whole drug thing, do you have to stay on the drugs

year-round?



BB: Yes. I haven't gone off at all for years.



IM: You have to inject, what, three to four times a week?



BB: Every day.



IM: Every day you have to inject something into your body?



BB: Yeah. Every day. Let me go over my stack. [He rattles off a list of

injectibles and orals that's so long, my jaw hits the desk.]



IM: This is just off-season?



BB: Yeah. And of course I like to use [blank] that blocks estrogen and also

increases testosterone levels.



Also [blank] four times a day in the off-season to allow me to eat more

calories. I also take half a tablet of [blank], which works better

synergistically with growth hormone. Six weeks or so out I start taking

some [blank] to stop some of the gyno. I did have to have it removed a few

years back, but it kind of flares up now and then. And I use [blank] to

take some of the water out. And [every so often] I switch from the heavy

androgens to the lighter anabolics, like [blank and blank], 300 milligrams

every other day. Let's see, [blank], 200 milligrams a day. That helps you

harden up your physique, increase your vascularity. I take some [blank],

which helps me harden, and I keep my insulin the same and my growth hormone

the same.



IM: Whew! Quite a laundry list!



BB: Well, you know there's also many other things, like [blank], which

keeps my gonadal system up and [blank] to boost my testosteone to make sure

I don't atrophy down there. Also, anti-estrogens and other compound factors

to combat the many side effects that I get.



IM: Have you ever noticed any serious health problems that you think are

related to this?



BB: I piss a lot of blood come contest time.



IM: But in the off-season you feel pretty decent, even though you're taking

all that stuff?



BB: Well, recently I started getting blood tests every two months.



IM: How about cholesterol count, blood pressure and so forth? All that's

pretty normal?



BB: No, everything is high. My blood pressure gets really high, and that

must be watched, especially when I take stimulants.



IM: It sounds as if you're on pins and needles a lot of the time.



BB: If you gotta do it, you got no choice. You want to make a living in

this sport, that¹s what you gotta do.



IM: Race cars keep going faster and faster and there are more crashes, but

the drivers keep doing it, right? What do you think your total drug bill is

for the year?



BB: About $60,000, but it's going to be higher next year. Just this last

year I had to add [blank]. Right now it's the number-one bodybuilding

"supplement" in the competition ring. All these guys you see getting

bigger, it's that. No question. Two years ago . . . I don't want to take

nothing from [blank], really nice guy, nice family man, but physiquewise he

was flat as a pancake. Now he's bigger, 20 to 30 pounds heavier. It's all

[from this stuff]. [Blank] is heavy on it. Of course, we all are. I'm

scared shitless.



IM: Are you guys pretty frank with each other about what you're taking?



BB: Only with friends. I mean, I get questions in the gym all the time, and

I tell them I take [a popular protein powder]! Yeah, we talk.



IM: You don't feel you need to keep secrets and maintain an edge?



BB: There are no secrets. There's one guy out there - I won't mention his

name‹ - he's a top pro who helps out the other pros with their [blank]

'cause we don't know how to do it, so we go to him. He helps us out.



IM: I know the old-timers say there's no camaraderie in the sport anymore.



BB: Oh, there's some. But the only thing we talk about is‹ . . .



IM: Drugs and training.



BB: We don't talk about training, because most of the guys‹ . . .



IM: All train alike?



BB: Well, yeah. We don't train that hard. [Most of the guys] are half

asleep when they [work out].



IM: So it's mostly just the drugs. The top guys really don't have an

inkling how to train without them. Do you think most of the top 10 guys are

taking pretty much the same thing then?



BB: Yeah, they're all jabbing themselves just as much, but I think

[winning] has to do with your estrogen levels and your normal testosterone

levels, your receptor abilities and things like that. You know, it's a

genetic thing. Some people are more susceptible to steroids. Five

milligrams might hit me differently than it might hit you.



IM: I asked you this earlier, and I know you said you think that it's just

all part of the game, but aren't you afraid that this will catch up with

you later in life?



BB: I am. I don't think I'll be able to have children. My doctor told me my

sperm count is way too low. And my thyroid [is blown out].



IM: Do you feel that the sport indirectly promotes the whole drug thing?



BB: Yeah, but then you have people saying that nobody makes us. But this is

our childhood dream. This is something we want to do, and for the most part

we don't have other jobs.



IM: Do you think this drug test they had at the Olympia was a step in the

right direction?



BB: It was a step in the right direction for the sport and probably a step

in the wrong direction for people's careers because I know four people who

[should have] tested positive. But we can beat the drug tests. Next year if

they want to get diuretics, that's fine. We'll use plasmics. It's fairly

simple. There's always exotic steroidsÅ . "Let's change some molecule on the

17th position, and it can't be detected." [Blank] still can't be detected.



IM: This is the most eye-opening interview I've ever had. I appreciate your

opening up to me.



BB: You're welcome. It could be because I'm very low on carbohydrates.



IM: And you're pissed off.



BB: Yeah, you know the diuretic scene is very difficult. I'm back there

with my I.V. bag and heart monitor. It's just the situation. You take a

person and put him into a lab in a freak science experiment. Then you throw

him on stage, and you take him off to pump blood back into him. Is that a

sport? The training is pretty much beaten to death. In fact, your magazine

for the natural athletes is what I recommend. Professional bodybuilding [is

about] drugs. Of course, there's abuse in every professional sport‹ -

boxing, basketball, baseball, football.



IM: How long do you think you can keep at it? I mean at this pace?



BB: Well I've been on forÅ  - oh God.Å  I'll tell you right now, if anybody's

going to die next, it's going to be [blank]. He's too old to be messing

with [junk] like that. His pancreas I don't think is too good. There's a

look that you get. I can see it. [Blank, a top pro] is very ill. I

understand what he wants to do for the sport, and he can do some great

things, but he's dying and every contest he loses is a blow to him. He's

killing himself literally because he wants to make this sport better.

Eventually he's either going to win the contest or he's going to die.



IM: He's really playing Russian roulette?



BB: Yeah, he was using [blank] before any of us. I prefer his look back [a

few years]. He wasn't big but aesthetic‹a pleasing physique. Something a

kid would look at and say, Hey, I would like to look like that. Now he

should be concentrating more on certain bodyparts, but instead his body is

getting bigger, his stomach, his head, everything.



IM: It's a scary look. Yes, the body's getting bigger, but all the internal

organs are getting large, bloated.



BB: They should have a contest for the biggest growth-hormone gut.



IM: Got anything else you want to get off your chest?



BB: Yeah, you know I have a hard time thinking because of all the things

I'm on now. But they don't talk about how much drug [abuse] there is. And

it's not just the steroids. We've got to use speed and stuff like that. We

have to use a lot of diuretics, things that aren't too healthy, and they

don't feel good. Lots of guys are using cocaine‹ - not just because they

like it, but it helps you get cut up, it helps you not eat. With drugs

there's use and abuse. But at our level I feel we're getting exploited, you

know? They pump us full of drugs . . . or we pump ourselves full of drugs

to make ourselves look like freaks, and we get on stage and that's our job.

But we don't get paid hardly anything. The guy who uses our pictures, the

supplement companies, make all the money, and they don't give us nothing.

If it wasn't for our picture, they wouldn't have nothing to promote.



IM: Yeah, and you gotta keep risking your life to try to make a few bucks

winning a show.



BB: I'll tell you what: [Some] of the guys, like [blank], are gay

prostitutes.



IM: Think so?



BB: I know so. That¹s how they can afford all those drugs. That's definite.

Of course [certain people in] the gay community are going to walk up and

say, Hey, we'll give you so much to have sex. That's just like a straight

guy walking up to Cindy Crawford and saying it. But for us it's a way to

make a good $10,000 a month. It helps with our drug bill and sometimes they

just give us drugs for the act.



IM: When you think about it, you guys can't make much money.



BB: There's not much money in the contracts. Especially with the drugs, the

living, the food. You have to sacrifice your‹ . . .



IM: Integrity?



BB: Yeah, your integrity, your pride. It's all a sacrifice. The drugs, the

prostitution. These guys don't want to do that. They have to look in the

mirror. They know they're sacrificing what makes them a man. And all this

crap you see about carb loading and sodium. Bunch of shit.



IM: So you don't think they actually do sodium loading? It's all just

drugs?



BB: Precontest every once in a while you catch a guy in McDonald's or

eating pizza. You can do that kind of thing‹ . . . of course, in

moderation.



IM: But you¹re a pretty heavy supplement user?



BB: I don't use supplements at all! No vitamins, nothing.



IM: You don't think that vitamins and minerals would help protect you

somewhat from all the drugs?



BB: Yeah, but‹ . . .



IM: You've got put your money where it's going to be the most effective,

right? On drugs.



BB: Right. I'd like to see a $1 million prize [for a bodybuilding contest].

That's something else that would help the sport. If there's a decent amount

of money in there, it would be something people would watch. Unfortunately,

I think people want to see the freaks at this point. Really big mothers up

there. It's like you said, you really can't go backwards. I guess you have

to let [it] self-destruct and see what happens.



IM: I don't want to see any of you guys die.



BB: We will. I guarantee you. You're going to see lots of guys dying in the

next few years.



IM: I hope the drug test is a step in the right direction, and maybe

they'll start judging for more aesthetic physiques. If they did backtrack

to more of the Bob Paris look, I think it would help.



BB: Is that ever going to happen?



IM: How much longer do you think you're going to go on with it?



BB: Till I reach my goal. Or it beats me.



IM: Have you ever experienced any kind of depression or rage?



BB: Oh, yeah. Beaten many people - Å got out of hand. I feel bad about that.



IM: Having all that coursing through your system has to do something to you

mentally.



BB: Well, besides that, you feel a lump here, and you feel scared, and you

don't know what's going on.



IM: Do you get checked by a doctor regularly?



BB: I get the blood tests, and he reads it. It's foreign to me. I just ask

how much longer do I have to live, what am I doing wrong?



IM: But he doesn't do any MRIs on you? It's just basically a blood test?



BB: No. He checks my thyroid, sperm count. Of course, I'm never going to be

able to have children.



IM: Perhaps some of this will reverse itself once you‹ . . .



BB: No, I have irreversible damage.



IM: That's really sad.



BB: I think it happened last year. When I upped everything, I shut my

thyroid down. And if I go off the [blank], I'm going to get fat. I'm going

to stay on the stuff permanently. If I go off, I'm going to rebound. None

of these guys go off. It's just nonstop. These guys do what it takes. Don't

you see that they're exploiting us? They're selling us. They're pumping us

up, putting us on stage, throwing us off, and they're collecting the money.

And we¹re back there rolling around in death. In the process they will make

money. Sell ourselves. Sell our souls, and we don't get much. And even if

you take the drugs, it's no guarantee you¹re going to win. You have to have

something going on there. But [the people who run this sport] say, Keep it

going, keep it going. And watch their wallets getting bigger. They don't

care.



IM: But you did say looking like that helps you with women?



BB: That makes it a little worthwhile, but I never had any problem with the

bitches. I got plenty before. Now I'm bigger, so I get a lot more. But you

also get the bad - ‹that includes harassment from the homos. I want to say

for the guys who want to take their physiques to a [higher level], weight

training, eating right and exercising will help you achieve your goals.

What's big to you may be small compared to a pro, but like I said, Lee

Labrada will look huge to a lot of guys. So you can attain your goals, get

bigger, get better with the women, look good. You may not win Mr. Olympia,

but you can still have something to be proud of [without the drugs].

[Competitive bodybuilding, for the most part] is all chemistry. It's

chemical warfare. Andreas Munzer had something we never had. All those

striations and [blank] drugs, but look what it did to him. He died by the

sword. And [blank] pocketed everything Andreas ever did. We have to deal

with the rat race and the counterfeit steroids. All these guys saying,

Yeah, I fell down and broke my arm. That's not true. That's the dealer

breaking their arms because they didn't pay for their shipment of growth

hormone.



IM: You say you go to Mexico for a lot of this stuff?



BB: Yeah, I go to Mexico. The European tour is where most of us get our

drugs. [Switches subjects again] You don't need drug testing. Just a Lee

Labrada. It didn't take a ton [of drugs] to do that. Pick that, and there

you go. All the other guys will have to trim down to look like that. IM: Go

for the aesthetic physique. That¹s one of the big steps they have to take.

By the way, isn¹t there a drug that you can inject directly into the muscle

to blow it up?



BB: Oh, yeah, [blank]. Use that for my peak on my biceps. [Blank] uses it

everywhere - ‹80 to 100 shots. Tell you right now it hurts like hell. But

it's hard to predict. It may look good five days before the show, then it

lumps out and you¹ll get guys with the real lumpy, weird-looking biceps.

This whole sport is about being a bitch. You gotta be a bitch to pay your

bills. You gotta be a bitch to win. That's what it's all about. Total

exploitation. I'd like the athletes to make a little more money. All these

magazines talk about how much Michael Jordan and Mike Tyson make. They

don't talk about how much we make, 'cause it's disgraceful. What am I going

to do? Sell pictures of myself?



IM: Do a lot of the guys sell drugs on the side?



BB: Oh, yeah. I've done that myself. Now it's a lot harder.



IM: So what else? Is there¹s anything you can think of that you¹re really

pissed off about.



BB: Well, I'm pissed off that we have to use this amount of drugs. I was

happier with my physique last year. [They want us] in the 270-pound range.



IM: Don't you think the magazines are a little at fault too?



BB: Yeah, they are. They don't print nothing about the drug regimen.

They're selling fake dreams to kids: Take this protein powder, and you're

going to look like that. And it ain't true. Drugs play a predominant role,

and most of the [champions'] training articles lead to overtraining. You

know that. And unless you're on steroids, you're going to end up unhappy

and lose your dream.



IM: I guess it's a vicious cycle.



BB: The insulin's very dangerous. I'm feeling it right now. I'm getting

real tired, headaches, weakness. I breathe hard. Not a good drug to take.



IM: What's the danger with the insulin? It's a hormone, so what's the big

problem?



BB: You can die right there. I mean, there isn't one of us who hasn't been

in shock. You really don't know.



IM: Have you ever had to go to the hospital because of it?



BB: I've been in the hospital a few times, yeah. They had to use half a bag

of glucose intravenously to keep me going. I didn't have any glucose in my

liver, because I did too much insulin. My brain was starved, and I was

beginning to fall asleep, go into a coma. It's the most painful feeling

you'll ever feel. During that time your mind's going nuts. What am I

getting out of all this? A cover picture? That won't pay the bills. Maybe

they should start giving back to the athletes instead of taking. If they're

gonna make it where we have to be bigger, we should get something out of

it. Golfers make more money than we do. I saw how much they make at these

rodeos too. They collect $50,000 for riding some damn bull. They don't have

to take drugs to do that.



IM: The danger's there for eight seconds, then they're out of there. You

guys have danger all year long.



BB: Yeah it's dangerous.



IM: To say the least.


Mon opinion : vrai, mais le type est trop "deresponsabilisé" dans ses réponses : "ce sont eux, ils nous poussent, on est forcé, etc..."

on a toujours le choix, et ne pas s'engager dans cette folie, en plus avec les gains de minables qu'ils font niveau $$, c'est encore le mieux.
Reste ensuite le profil psychologique, l'obsession d'être un champion et ça biensûr, cela ne se discute pas...
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Messagepar Rudy le 28/08/2003 13h06

a mon avis c vrai ! le type est pro il est obligé de se doper il na pas le choix sinon il a aucune chance de gagner le concours et par la meme occasion de la tune !
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Messagepar Fabrice SP le 28/08/2003 13h32

Interview bien connue...

De toute façon les cultos pros, on s'en tappe !!!

Ils font pas le même "sport". Ils poussent des barres comme nous, et c'est la seule chose que nous avons en commun avec eux !
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Messagepar Seb33 le 28/08/2003 13h55

je fais ce petit message car cela me fait réagir mechament quand je lis ca, mais je n'en posterai pas d'autre, sur ce sujet.

ces types sont des merdes, personnes ne les obligent à devenir professionnelles de la dope.
s'il ne peuvent pas devenir champions sasn dopes et qu'ils veulent vivre de leur passion, ils n'ont qu'a passer des diplome de prof de muscu, de dietetitien, de journaliste sportif, faire de la creation d'evenements, etc: la liste est suffisament longue pour que tout le monde en vive.
ils ne gagnent pas assez d'argent? peut-etre est-ce parce qu'il sfont fuire le public pour faire plaisir à une poignée d'abrutis.
je n'ai jamais vu un BB prendre une injection avec un type qui lui mets un canon de 9mm sur la tête pour etre sur qu'ils se l'injectent bien.

pour conclure, je dirais simplement 2 choses:
1- les physiques plus agréables ne gagnent-ils pas au moins autant d'argent avec les posing privés, les reconversion plus simple, les consultation...?
2- c'est types me fopnt pitié, ils n'ont rien dans le crane, ils ne vivent pas de et pour leurs passion, ils vivent juste pour obtenir un chouia de reconnaissance (donc aucune bonne image d'eux-meme, un psy coute moins cher et est plus sain à mon avis) qu'ils n'auront pas car ils font plus fuir les gens avec leurs physiques plus qu'autre chose.

tous ce qu'ils gagnent, c'est donner une tres mauvaise image des personnes comme vous et moi qui faisons de la musculation sans dopage, mais qui sommes assimilés à des dopés, des petites cervelles et autres à cause de crétins mal finis

voilà. cela va en choquer certains, et j'en suis heureux, car un tel article pour moi ne represente rien, mais un BB comme ca represente les bas fond de l'intelligence humaine.
prenons plutot reference sur des gars sains, au physique agreable (si si il y en a, meme sur des forums privés comme le notre, avec nico, dans ma salle il y a en à 2 avec de très beau physique sans dope...).
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Messagepar Bovidus le 28/08/2003 14h35

Voilà pourquoi je préfère parler de muscu et pas de BB.

Pour moi un BBer, c'est stalone, JCV, (Vince diesel a l'air naturel aussi non ?), notre Nico national, etc.

A quoi bon on faire de trop et prendre un tas de merdes nuisibles à la santé pour etre boursoufflé et monstreux, finalement l'ideal du naturel se situe au niveau de la FA ou plus gros morceux à la stalone/JCV.

Idem pour schwartz que je respecte, il était bien plus beau a l'epoque conan qu'a l'époque boursoufflée de jumeux, T2.
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Messagepar Fabrice SP le 28/08/2003 16h01

Comme Seb33 mais j'osais pas le dire...

Ce qui me tue c'est que certains soient en admiration devant Coleman & co...
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Messagepar Marc le 28/08/2003 16h21

d'ailleur comment il gagne leur vie ces types ? a part bouffer 6 fois par jour ce matter 5h dans le mirroir et 3h dans une salle de muscu il font quoi ? et que peuvent il faire d'autre avec leur phisique lol !
je suis un putain de legume overpowered ..
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Messagepar Sébastien le 28/08/2003 16h24

Là n'est pas la question.
Un BBer vit de sa passion et n'en a rien à foutre de ne pas pouvoir pratiquer d'autres sports.
Mais cela ne change rien à la vision du BBer PRO qui est gonflé à la pompe à vélo à outrance
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Messagepar Marc le 28/08/2003 16h27

mais je parler pas de pratiquer un autre sport mais de travailler tout simplement
rien qu'en bouffe et drogue il ce ruinne sans parler des vetement qu'il doivent sacheter sur mesure lol
je suis un putain de legume overpowered ..
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Messagepar Sébastien le 28/08/2003 16h30

T'inquiètes pas pour eux. Avec les sponsors, les lignes de vêtement, les suppléments diététiques à leur éfigie, les contrats Weider, et les places dans les concours, ils arrivent à vivre décemment.
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Messagepar Fabrice SP le 28/08/2003 16h37

Sébastien a écrit:Avec les sponsors, les lignes de vêtement, les suppléments diététiques à leur éfigie, les contrats Weider, et les places dans les concours, ils arrivent à vivre décemment.

Pour les top-pros.

Sinon pleins de rumeur sordides courts sur la prositution masculine chez les BBs pros.

En France, je me souviens plusieurs fois avoir lu ds des interviews que certains BBs de haut niveau français était tout simplement chaumeurs, pour avoir le temps de s'entrainer et manger...
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Messagepar Sébastien le 28/08/2003 16h40

oais, j'ai aussi entendu parlé de ça..
c'est vraiment triste d'en arriver là, ça devient du n'importe quoi
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Messagepar Bovidus le 28/08/2003 17h57

Je me souviens d'un amateur germanique sur un docu d'arte.

Apres le travail, 3h de training, x fois par semaine, 12500kcal a prendre par jour, il se ruinait en bouffe et en porduis, il se piquait les fesses avec ampoules d'hormone de croissance.

Il a arrété, il avouait que sur la fin, tout son fric passait en bouffe, pour pouvoir ce payer les produits il lui arrivait d'acheter les pates pour chiens aux kilos, ca coutaint moins cher....
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Messagepar SuMo le 28/08/2003 18h32

Ca me donne envie de vomir..
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Messagepar Sébastien le 28/08/2003 18h40

Bovidus a écrit:Apres le travail, 3h de training, x fois par semaine, 12500kcal a prendre par jour, il se ruinait en bouffe et en porduis, il se piquait les fesses avec ampoules d'hormone de croissance.

Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah :D
Si c'est pas malheureux d'en arriver là !
N'importe quoi !!!
C'est du délire total :)
Quel "image" du bodybuilding ... c'est génial des mecs comme ça !
12 500 kcal !!! Quand je pense qu'actuellement je ne mange que 10% de ça !! Il devait être GROS comme une OIE ce gars là :)
Il arrivait encore à travailler ? Comment il faisait pour se mouvoir et comment il faisait pour avaler tout çà ? C'est énorme autant de calorie .. à moins qu'il se sifflait une bouteille d'huile tous les jours ? Sinon je ne verrais pas comment :) :) :)
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Messagepar Arnaud H. le 28/08/2003 21h22

moi je trouve ça quand même beau à la fois. Aller jusqu'au bout de son obsession, "show the world you're the best", quoiqu'il en coute.

et quand ils meurent prematurement : cela devient des idoles, des heros : benaziza, munzer, etc ... respect , respect !

sans dec' je trouve ça un peu emouvant quand même, non ?

Chuss.
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Messagepar Fabrice SP le 29/08/2003 09h41

Définitivement non :!:
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Messagepar Marc le 29/08/2003 10h53

Arnaud H. a écrit:moi je trouve ça quand même beau à la fois. Aller jusqu'au bout de son obsession, "show the world you're the best", quoiqu'il en coute.

et quand ils meurent prematurement : cela devient des idoles, des heros : benaziza, munzer, etc ... respect , respect !

sans dec' je trouve ça un peu emouvant quand même, non ?

Chuss.

faut etre sacrement creux :D
je suis un putain de legume overpowered ..
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Messagepar Arnaud H. le 29/08/2003 16h16

murafffff! :p

allez, je PROVOQUE !!!!! :p
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Messagepar Fred le 29/08/2003 18h27

mais non c'est pas de la provoc!!!


moi aussi je suis complexé!!moi aussi je veus impressionner les gens et avoir des bras aussi gros que des pastèques!!!et devenir un héro, un modèle comme tous ces gars qui se piquent!!!

elles sont où les seringues?!!Vite!!



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Messagepar Vincent le 29/08/2003 19h27

Arnaud H. a écrit:moi je trouve ça quand même beau à la fois. Aller jusqu'au bout de son obsession, "show the world you're the best", quoiqu'il en coute.

et quand ils meurent prematurement : cela devient des idoles, des heros : benaziza, munzer, etc ... respect , respect !

sans dec' je trouve ça un peu emouvant quand même, non ?

Chuss.


"munzer" ? si tu parles de Mentzer, sache qu'il n'est pas mort, un véritable Heros comme lui n'a pas pu mourrir aussi facilement. Il reviendra tot ou tard !!!
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Messagepar Sébastien le 29/08/2003 20h08

Mentzer ou Munzer, les 2 sont morts de tout de façon ;)
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