The STRENGTH and SIZE thread !
Posté: 10/02/2004 20h10
Tout comme pour le thread ONE SET success stories (que j'aurais du appeler LOW VOLUME / HIGH INTENSITY) je vais poster ici des articles et des discussions (surtout) sur le rapport force-masse, afin de bien mettre en évidence que comme l'a dit Mike Mentzer :
un programme de bodybuilding est essentiellement un programme de force
je commence :
"Originally Posted by Phil Blackstone
As far as building/achieving strength goals etc...
Hey Phil, those questions have fascinated me too. I've done a bunch (too much) study reading, on that stuff. From things I've read, here is what I gather to be at least close to the truth.
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What are some rules for the differences between more efficient nerve pathways and all round lean tissue building?
It appears that everytime one gains strength, they gain both neural and hypertrophic, but the ones who 'state' they got stronger without size usually refer to diet as the key. Most studies show size gains with everything from 3RM's to 20RM's. I think once a person 'peaks' in neural efficiency in an exercise and performance, without hypertrophy and the nutrition to support it, strength would just stall.
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I have understood that low to very low reps/singles initiate more a nerve path response to all out effort, when higher/volume type, places more emphasis towards the mass/tissue building!?
It could be on the more neural gains when you first perform low reps, but I think once you've done them for a while your coordinated at them and hypertrophy would have to happen.
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I would think the lean tissue hypertrophy would be perhaps more long lasting following a layoff!? Or if I teach/adapt myself to better neural pathways is that longer lasting with an extended layoff!?
I think I read that too, that neural can go away faster than hypertrophy. I know there are a couple studies that showed that with TOTAL rest, (but not bed rest) that after 2-3 weeks the starts of atrophy were showing up. Ie increased cortisol etc.
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What form do you think is developed quicker, nerve paths or lean tissue?
I would say neural is faster and easier to develope. It's less 'costly' to the organism.
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I would think (according to novices) nerve passages, but can you keep pushing them (just like lean tissue) to develope more and more efficiently or do they have a saturation point and then lean tissue must take over?
I asked Casey and DM about this and both told me that it looks like neural has a limit, especially for an advanced person.
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If I get as strong as can be at a certain BW and I must get physically larger to gain more strength, does that new found mass promote new found neural strength gain openings?
Just curious!?
I would say that it wouldn't. Since you already have nerves going to those fibers, if they get bigger your nerves should still act the same way. It would just be when the nerves fired those fibers, since their now bigger, they would generate more force.
Hope that helped!
Ron"
un programme de bodybuilding est essentiellement un programme de force
je commence :
"Originally Posted by Phil Blackstone
As far as building/achieving strength goals etc...
Hey Phil, those questions have fascinated me too. I've done a bunch (too much) study reading, on that stuff. From things I've read, here is what I gather to be at least close to the truth.
Quote:
What are some rules for the differences between more efficient nerve pathways and all round lean tissue building?
It appears that everytime one gains strength, they gain both neural and hypertrophic, but the ones who 'state' they got stronger without size usually refer to diet as the key. Most studies show size gains with everything from 3RM's to 20RM's. I think once a person 'peaks' in neural efficiency in an exercise and performance, without hypertrophy and the nutrition to support it, strength would just stall.
Quote:
I have understood that low to very low reps/singles initiate more a nerve path response to all out effort, when higher/volume type, places more emphasis towards the mass/tissue building!?
It could be on the more neural gains when you first perform low reps, but I think once you've done them for a while your coordinated at them and hypertrophy would have to happen.
Quote:
I would think the lean tissue hypertrophy would be perhaps more long lasting following a layoff!? Or if I teach/adapt myself to better neural pathways is that longer lasting with an extended layoff!?
I think I read that too, that neural can go away faster than hypertrophy. I know there are a couple studies that showed that with TOTAL rest, (but not bed rest) that after 2-3 weeks the starts of atrophy were showing up. Ie increased cortisol etc.
Quote:
What form do you think is developed quicker, nerve paths or lean tissue?
I would say neural is faster and easier to develope. It's less 'costly' to the organism.
Quote:
I would think (according to novices) nerve passages, but can you keep pushing them (just like lean tissue) to develope more and more efficiently or do they have a saturation point and then lean tissue must take over?
I asked Casey and DM about this and both told me that it looks like neural has a limit, especially for an advanced person.
Quote:
If I get as strong as can be at a certain BW and I must get physically larger to gain more strength, does that new found mass promote new found neural strength gain openings?
Just curious!?
I would say that it wouldn't. Since you already have nerves going to those fibers, if they get bigger your nerves should still act the same way. It would just be when the nerves fired those fibers, since their now bigger, they would generate more force.
Hope that helped!
Ron"